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>> it's not just the clinton tax rates. we had a pretty good economy under bill clinton. >> different spending rates, too, back then, governor. >> well, that's right. it's also cuts in defense which we haven't had in 30 years and a cut in human services, which i'd rather not do, but i think everybody needs to something on the table to get what we need to get. it's the best deal for the country. we'll have a recession. the cbo thinks and i agree with this, we'll have 1.3% negative growth for two quarters and we'll go back with a slightly less than 2% growth rate for the entire. we're not going to get out of this without pain. anybody when thinks we'll get through the deficit problem without having to do some sacrificing is wrong. what this does in my view as a democrat is it distributes the burden of the pain fairly, that is, we go back to the clinton tax rates for everybody, not just for rich folks. and we had a good economy under bill clinton. we go back -- we get -- cuts in defense spending which we know is higher than it
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you can't return to clinton prosperity only raising taxes on 2%. it's different for all taxpayers. am i right? >> you're almost entirely wrong. >> why would raising just on the 2% get us back to the clinton prosperity you're talking about? we can't return to the spending levels either. >> getting to a sound fiscal position is necessary to protect the economy. if we don't do that, as this economy recovers, that recovery is going to be aborted and that's going to do damage. then the question is how you get there, and the president believes that we should raise revenues with a tax system that has been proven in the past to go along with very substantial -- >> you can't conflate the two. you have the entire -- >> joe, joe, if you go back to this, i'm not sure what you're arguing. >> raising on 2% is different than the other structure. >> the reason it's different is that the tax rate on everybody else is going to be lower. >> right. so you don't have nearly as much money to balance the budget in the '90s. >> many other things have changed in the interim and we have set as a framework a
you can't return to clinton prosperity only raising taxes on 2%. it's different for all taxpayers. am i right? >> you're almost entirely wrong. >> why would raising just on the 2% get us back to the clinton prosperity you're talking about? we can't return to the spending levels either. >> getting to a sound fiscal position is necessary to protect the economy. if we don't do that, as this economy recovers, that recovery is going to be aborted and that's going to do damage. then...
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the president needs to take a page out of president bill clinton -- >> he's in philadelphia with the middle class behind him and nodding and saying, i've got a pen, i've got a pen. i've still got a pen, i've still got a pen. >> president obama owes president clinton a great deal for helping him get elected. number one, we need a meaningful citizen education engagement effort with the white house in formada, next year to build the case for a grand bargain. the official version of what i did and what my colleagues did over the last several months and we need congressional hearings that will set the stage for tax reforms, social security reform and the president needs to negotiate privately and have discussions with congressional leaders of both parties privately. those three things can get us to the promt promise land. and without all three of those, we're in trouble. >> but, david, that is exactly what was supposed to happen between july of 2011 and today. and guess what? none of it has happened. none of it. we're having the same conversation. >> you know what? >> only the president c
the president needs to take a page out of president bill clinton -- >> he's in philadelphia with the middle class behind him and nodding and saying, i've got a pen, i've got a pen. i've still got a pen, i've still got a pen. >> president obama owes president clinton a great deal for helping him get elected. number one, we need a meaningful citizen education engagement effort with the white house in formada, next year to build the case for a grand bargain. the official version of...
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the real core of what clinton had was they cut spending. their percentage of spending to gdp was so much less, and that's where they got out of it. that agreement in '97 cut taxes and cut spending, which spurred growth. and we need a pro-growth economy. that's how we're going to get out of this mess. what we're talking about today, of just raising the taxes, does not solve the problem. i don't see it passing the house. now, republicans have not sat back. we've put revenue on the table. but the president has always said it has to be a balanced approach. >> if you can choose, if you could choose, what's -- i mean we've heard -- we've heard from their side, from the other side, and i'm talking about from your viewpoint, secretary geithner. >> yes. >> has said, we -- if we don't get the 2% -- if we don't get the rise on rates on the 2% we'll go over the fiscal cliff. in your view would it be better to go over the fiscal cliff than to get the back to the clinton rates on the high end? >> i think the best thing we don't go over the fiscal cliff.
the real core of what clinton had was they cut spending. their percentage of spending to gdp was so much less, and that's where they got out of it. that agreement in '97 cut taxes and cut spending, which spurred growth. and we need a pro-growth economy. that's how we're going to get out of this mess. what we're talking about today, of just raising the taxes, does not solve the problem. i don't see it passing the house. now, republicans have not sat back. we've put revenue on the table. but the...
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nobody's dealt with it since bill clinton was president of the united states. there are a number of things we're going to have to do in order to meet our deficit. we're going to have to both raise taxes and cut spending. one of the areas we must cut spending is defense. there hasn't been serious cuts in defense in 30 years. the defense industry is well positioned. they have plants in something in over 300 districts. there's a lot of bipartisan defense spending. for example, the defense authorization bill that just passed yesterday in the senate gave the pentagon $17 billion more than they asked for. so to think that any industry or any taxpayer or any group of people who depend on government spending can be exempted from the serious problem that we have that's caused by this deficit is a mistake. everybody is going to have to pay for this. >> dawn, right or wrong, the defense industry has this reputation of being bloated, overcharging. are we at a point where we could afford to make cuts in defense spending to try and satisfy the needs of lowering the deficit i
nobody's dealt with it since bill clinton was president of the united states. there are a number of things we're going to have to do in order to meet our deficit. we're going to have to both raise taxes and cut spending. one of the areas we must cut spending is defense. there hasn't been serious cuts in defense in 30 years. the defense industry is well positioned. they have plants in something in over 300 districts. there's a lot of bipartisan defense spending. for example, the defense...
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they allow the marginal rates on earned income to go back to the clinton levels. in that proposal, as i understand it, dividends and cap gains rise modestly to 20%. i think anybody that's looked that the will tell you the mix of rates and deductions and tax treatment of dividends, capital gains now is unaffordable for the country. the current mix we have in current policy is unaffordable. we're going to have to alter that mix. we've laid out the best way we think to do that. if we did that, i think you'd see alongside sensible spending reforms. you'd see very good outcomes for the american economy. the american economy right now looks very resilient. the biggest thing that stands in the way of much significant strength in growth is this uncertainty about how to reach an agreement. >> what's the right rate for dividends and capital gains? >> in the senate bill, you see there's a proposal to let them go to 20. that's certainly one way to do it. ultimately, you have to look at the overall mix of tax treatment, investment income -- >> is there a number that's too high
they allow the marginal rates on earned income to go back to the clinton levels. in that proposal, as i understand it, dividends and cap gains rise modestly to 20%. i think anybody that's looked that the will tell you the mix of rates and deductions and tax treatment of dividends, capital gains now is unaffordable for the country. the current mix we have in current policy is unaffordable. we're going to have to alter that mix. we've laid out the best way we think to do that. if we did that, i...
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>> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there's been to counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> former presidential candidate and vermont governor howard dean says bring it on. going over the fiscal cliff will actually help america. he's going to make his case, very bold statement there, to someone whose company will be decimated by the spending cuts to defense companies. you do not want to miss this confrontation. ricans are alwayso work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ >>> pretty clear apple stock is having
>> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there's been to counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> former presidential candidate and vermont governor howard dean says bring it on. going over the fiscal cliff will actually help america. he's going to make his case,...
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. >> they talk about the clinton tax rates and say how good the economy was under the clinton years, but it's not entirely clear that raising taxes is going to create a great economy this time around. >> thank you so much. we go from party line to the front lines on the impact of the fiscal cliff's mess. fedex ceo fred smith was among the ceos who met with the president yesterday. he's been outspoken on the issue of corporate taxes as well as jobs, making headlines saying it's a myth that raising tax rates will kill jobs. let's talk with fred smith right now in a cnbc exclusive about that and more. frank, good to have you on the program. welcome back. >> thank you very much, maria. always good to be here. >> good to see you again. let's start with the fiscal cliff issue. when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act th
. >> they talk about the clinton tax rates and say how good the economy was under the clinton years, but it's not entirely clear that raising taxes is going to create a great economy this time around. >> thank you so much. we go from party line to the front lines on the impact of the fiscal cliff's mess. fedex ceo fred smith was among the ceos who met with the president yesterday. he's been outspoken on the issue of corporate taxes as well as jobs, making headlines saying it's a...
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try to do something a little bit more mainstream with a little bit more broad appeal, a la hillary clinton in her first couple of months up here on capitol hill. they don't expect her to focus entire loin the consumer financial protection bureau, for example. they think she would like a larger beach head on capitol hill and i think that is where this is going. >> thank you very much. take it down to sue at the nyse. >> i have kenny poll carry, independent trader at the nyse with me. you made a note in your morning note that we are stuck this in range until we get progress. >> look where we are, between 1400 on the downside you can and 1420 the upside. today, done absolutely nothing, at 1404, 1406 all day, not a lot of action, not a lot of activity at all. people just in this wait and see mode, right? more chatter out of washington. i think a lot of people expecting the interview with the president, hear what he had to same the market got weaker after spoke. >> down 18 point on the trading session now the volume disturbing now, because there is none. >> that just tells that you investors ar
try to do something a little bit more mainstream with a little bit more broad appeal, a la hillary clinton in her first couple of months up here on capitol hill. they don't expect her to focus entire loin the consumer financial protection bureau, for example. they think she would like a larger beach head on capitol hill and i think that is where this is going. >> thank you very much. take it down to sue at the nyse. >> i have kenny poll carry, independent trader at the nyse with me....
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they may finds a compromise that isn't necessarily clinton era tax rates, something in between. but it looks like the makings of a deal. with every change on the republican side, more and more likely to happen than not. >> all right. we'll see about that. we'll be watching. obviously, very, very important for the markets. thanks. see you later. >>> let's get to bertha coombs. one company with big moves after the bell. over to you. >> maria, amarin is falling after the bell. some had suspected them to solicit a bid to buy itself out. it has a drug that's a fish oil drug that's prescription. they say they're hiring a sales staff and they still expect to present more details to the fda in february 2013. some disappointment, clearly, there. maria. >> thanks so much, bertha. we'll keep watching that. >>> up next, the stock market and america. steve liesman up next with surprising new results from the exclusive cnbc survey. >>> and then as the lawsuits fly over hewlett-packard's autonomy mess, i'll talk with the ceo of deloitte and their role in looking over the books. ally bank. why
they may finds a compromise that isn't necessarily clinton era tax rates, something in between. but it looks like the makings of a deal. with every change on the republican side, more and more likely to happen than not. >> all right. we'll see about that. we'll be watching. obviously, very, very important for the markets. thanks. see you later. >>> let's get to bertha coombs. one company with big moves after the bell. over to you. >> maria, amarin is falling after the bell....
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bill clinton, number 50. no hillary clinton or not list. way down at number 65, below the colombian drug deale erdealer, . boehner. boehner that low? >> it's remarkable. there is some subjectivity that goes with this but i think that's very interesting. the other folks that you mentioned. bloomberg fascinates me. >> bloomberg more power than bainer? really? >> i don't know about more power but think about the interesting position that bloomberg's in. he's got a year left on this third term that he has figured out a way to have. he's a publisher. he's a 15th richest guy -- most powerful guy on our list, one of the richest men in the world. >> and a quick thought on ilan musk -- we've heard his name but he doesn't get a lot of attention. why is he in the top 70? >> when you think about the entrepreneurial ethos that forbes tries to represent, the people, places and companies that we try to describe an entrepreneurs in particular, here's a guy who founded paypal. here's a guy who's at the front of the tesla automobile. he's now moving cargo th
bill clinton, number 50. no hillary clinton or not list. way down at number 65, below the colombian drug deale erdealer, . boehner. boehner that low? >> it's remarkable. there is some subjectivity that goes with this but i think that's very interesting. the other folks that you mentioned. bloomberg fascinates me. >> bloomberg more power than bainer? really? >> i don't know about more power but think about the interesting position that bloomberg's in. he's got a year left on...
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when you look at the news today hillary clinton met with the russian foreign minister, syria's biggest ally is russia. if russia tells them you have to calm down they'll calm down. >> you think they're going lower. are you buying or selling oil slide? logon to futuresnow.cnbc.com and vote in our poll, we'll give you the results on our website and while there catch today's show, we have investment guru curtis arlidge of bny mellon and tune in to that and doug cass will reveal how he's playing apple's wild ride today at 1:00 p.m. futuresnow.cnbc.com. >> see you at the top of the hour on cnbc.com. >>> coming up halftime fund managers doing fancy trading to give portfolios a temporary boost and are you, the investor, left holding the bag? jpmorgan's tom lee on track to hit his 2012 s&p target, we'll ask him what's next for the market own your money when halftime comes back. o o. >>> welcome back. will quarter end she nan ganz be hurting your money? some portfolio managers are bidding up stocks the second before a quarter ends, those stocks see temporary pops and the managers can point to b
when you look at the news today hillary clinton met with the russian foreign minister, syria's biggest ally is russia. if russia tells them you have to calm down they'll calm down. >> you think they're going lower. are you buying or selling oil slide? logon to futuresnow.cnbc.com and vote in our poll, we'll give you the results on our website and while there catch today's show, we have investment guru curtis arlidge of bny mellon and tune in to that and doug cass will reveal how he's...
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. >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: not surprisingly, democratic house leader nancy pelosi had precisely the opposite explanation for what is behind this stalemate. she says republicans simply echoing the white house are going to have to buckle on the issue of the top rates. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income tax relief are the republicans unwillingness to ask the top 2% to pay their fair share. >> but tyler, as you suggested, this is all a work in progress. the thing we cannot see that is not visible to the public or to the press is what's going on behind the scenes. staff discussions resumed yesterday. don't know how fruitful. i haven't gotten much of a signal from people on either side that a deal is close, but they're work rg at it and sometimes these situations can tur
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ronald reagan and throughout the clinton era. john: george w. bush hired 86,000 more regulators. >> banking is one of the most regulated industries if not the most. the problem was not deregulation but we had a crisis caused by a massive industry in real-estate due to policies to seven everybody encouraged to take out a mortgage. there will intended. they crafted the bill. logic says this will protect us? >> dodd/frank does not end the bailout are too big to fail. john: all this? that is left in here and even encouraged because it implies some banks will be bailed out. >> right. when you say the bank is systemic you say it is an institution to big and important and critical to allow to be left 57 they have labeled them systemic. it shows what happens and white increases the risk. the big banks can borrow money more cheaply because they think the government will bail them out. >> creditors know they will not be bailed out if they fail so they give them money at it cheaper rate. >> jpmorgan chase pays $4 interest but the small bank pays $70 $0.50.
ronald reagan and throughout the clinton era. john: george w. bush hired 86,000 more regulators. >> banking is one of the most regulated industries if not the most. the problem was not deregulation but we had a crisis caused by a massive industry in real-estate due to policies to seven everybody encouraged to take out a mortgage. there will intended. they crafted the bill. logic says this will protect us? >> dodd/frank does not end the bailout are too big to fail. john: all this?...
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ronald reagan and throughout the clinton era. john: george w. bush hired 86,000 more regulators. >> banking is one of the most regulated industries if not the most. the problem was not deregulation but we had a crisis caused by a massive industry in real-estate due to policies to seven everybody encouraged to take out a mortgage. there will intended. they crafted the bill. logic says this will protect us? >> dodd/frank does not end the bailout are too big to fail. john: all this? that is left in here and even encouraged because it implies some banks will be bailed out. >> right. when you say the bank is systemic you say it is an institution to big and important and critical to allow to be left 57 they have labeled them systemic. it shows what happens and white increases the risk. the big banks can borrow money more cheaply because they think the government will bail them out. >> creditors know they will not be bailed out if they fail so they give them money at it cheaper rate. >> jpmorgan chase pays $4 interest but the small bank pays $70 $0.50.
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clinton will likely sign on to work with her husband at the clinton foundation for a while and could possibly write a book about her time as secretary of state. >>> speaking of political contenders, there could be a bruising and very entertaining battle just around the corner in new jersey. newark mayor cory booker says he will decide in the next two weeks whether he plans or not plans to challenge governor chris christie next year. >> i am absolutely considering running for governor as well as giving other options some consideration. >> if you decide not to run for governor, is there any chance you might run for another office, say senate, for example? >> yeah, i'm actually looking at that a lot as well and trying to give back because life ultimately is not about a position it's about a purpose. my purpose that i try to focus on every single day is how can i make a difference in the world around me and the community around me. i'm really thinking about both offices right now and which one can i better serve on the issues that i'm passionate about and the things i feel driven to cont
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if julian wants so much the clinton tax rates, that's fine, i'll go along with that if we had the clinton era government spending whic we don't. >> brenda: okay. all right, we've got to go. thanks, guys. so, see this last year, it was a union uproar in wisconsin and now we're seeing this. a diffent state, same scene, neil and his gang sayg all taxpayers should be paying attention. that's at the bottom of the hour, but up herefirst, did you hear this? >> our people in an overwhelming supported this president and there ought to be a quid pro quo. >> brenda: a detroit council woman demanding a bailout after voting the president in. guess where the president is heading on monday? heading on monday? should taxpayeyeyeyeye [ malennouncer ] it's tt time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you realldon't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it findone, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super
if julian wants so much the clinton tax rates, that's fine, i'll go along with that if we had the clinton era government spending whic we don't. >> brenda: okay. all right, we've got to go. thanks, guys. so, see this last year, it was a union uproar in wisconsin and now we're seeing this. a diffent state, same scene, neil and his gang sayg all taxpayers should be paying attention. that's at the bottom of the hour, but up herefirst, did you hear this? >> our people in an overwhelming...
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and then could be bush versus clinton again. >> governor, thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> honor to be with you. >> right now it's time for "squawk on the street." ♪ >> good tuesday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm melissa lee with carl quintanilla, jim cramer and david faber. we're live from post 9 at the new york stock exchange. a vacuum here in terms of u.s. economic data. none on top today. we're looking at a flat open across the board. as for europe, movement there. the buyback of greek debt will in fact work. we're seeing just fractions of a percent in terms of changes there. our road map this morning starts with the latest in the fiscal cliff negotiations. the white house promptly rebuffs the gop counterproposal which calls for $800 billion in new tax revenue but without tax rate increases for the wealthy. could this tax issue deadlock the talks? >>> bank of america ceo warns the cliff must get stalled or the economy could be stifled well into 2014. >>> even more dividends pushed into 2012. coach, american eagle moving up and
and then could be bush versus clinton again. >> governor, thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> honor to be with you. >> right now it's time for "squawk on the street." ♪ >> good tuesday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm melissa lee with carl quintanilla, jim cramer and david faber. we're live from post 9 at the new york stock exchange. a vacuum here in terms of u.s. economic data. none on top today. we're looking at a flat...
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is awaiting the order for the president to use those weapons on its own citizens, secretary of state clinton today repeated its reprisal if he does rebel forces say they surrounded an air base just 2 1/2 miles outside the capital he has reportedly contacted several south american countries about possible asylums for him and his family. joining us now is our terrorism analyst. what would this mean for u.s. policy in that region? monday said if that happens syria would be held accountable for an attack like this. >> the white house made clear it would be kind of a red line that the syrians dare not cross and i think it would be very hard for the russians to suspend the president's regime and i think it is a sign that he is in fact losing this war. well with the u.s. do? i think the only way to prevent it would be some sort of a quarantine or a no-fly zone such as we did over libya and no-fly zone requires you to go in and take up the air defense system and air to air combat capabilities so it would require aggressive military action but i think that this is serious enough to warrant that the p
is awaiting the order for the president to use those weapons on its own citizens, secretary of state clinton today repeated its reprisal if he does rebel forces say they surrounded an air base just 2 1/2 miles outside the capital he has reportedly contacted several south american countries about possible asylums for him and his family. joining us now is our terrorism analyst. what would this mean for u.s. policy in that region? monday said if that happens syria would be held accountable for an...
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four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending problem, not a revenue problem. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own, a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we're ready and eager to talk to the pretty about such a plan. >> speaker, you did speak with the pretsident earlier this wee. can you talk about that call? also we understand that he's making clear that it's got to be increasing rates for the wealthy or no deal
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we always talk about the 1993 income tax of president clinton, and the top tax rate was 39.6%. threshold, $250 thud. so flash forward from 1993 to present, okay. well let me tell you something, there is this little thing called inflation. i know this might be nitpicking. but $250,000 today well, started out if you want to be apples to apples would be about $165,000 then. in other words, we are not adjusting even for inflation. so, if we're talking about $250,000 today being the same as then, we're wrong. it would be $165,000. so the point is, is that the difference between these two is $85,000. okay? is a 35% miss when it comes to being honest about it. oh, even worse let's take this. how many times, of course you've heard a million times, taxes on million favors and billionaires, even though, and i know this is adjusted, okay, but let's just keep it $250,000. well, 250 grand isn't a million. so it's off by 750-k over 1 million. okay? so, in essence, what we're doing is we're off on this one by 75%. we're off by 35% and 75%. so why am i doing this? because i'll tell you what, m
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to go back to the clinton era rates. you get rid of three quarters of the deficit just on tax increases at that point. >> and he says you get defense cuts. >> you can't get defense cuts any other way. and he's not the only one. there's a lot of people on the left and there's quite a few people on the right. i'm glad you're optimistic and a lot of ceos and guys in your position -- if you run a company, you don't need consumers petrified and business people petrified. this is the last thing we need if you run a company. i understand you have a horse in the game. >> but you also have the double trigger. if you go over the cliff, we've got the debt ceiling fight right afterwards. it's not like that's six months down the line. that's in if first month, six weeks of the new year. >> the other thing, depending on where you stand, the idea that we just get rid of congressional approval of the debt ceiling at all, which is that ludicrous proposal that was in the president's plan. that's not -- and would you really want that? woul
to go back to the clinton era rates. you get rid of three quarters of the deficit just on tax increases at that point. >> and he says you get defense cuts. >> you can't get defense cuts any other way. and he's not the only one. there's a lot of people on the left and there's quite a few people on the right. i'm glad you're optimistic and a lot of ceos and guys in your position -- if you run a company, you don't need consumers petrified and business people petrified. this is the last...
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look at hillary clinton's resume. former first lady of arkansas, former first lady, former secretary of state, former senator. no question about it, regardless whether you're a republican or democrat you can say hillary clinton is a hard workers, she's tenacious, she's been around the block and would come to the white house with definitely a lot of experience. >> the other thing you could say about her is because of her role as secretary of state she's been able to sort of however above the fray. traditionally secretary of states don't get involved in political matters. her role as the nation's senior diplomat discourages her from wading into domestic political matters that the tradition and etiquette. but the gag order will soon be lifted and i could make the case that's it's irrelevant any weigh marriage equality is a matter of human rights and not politics and she's powerful and beloved enough to say whatever she wanted once obama finally laid down his marker. so what do you think about that? do you think that ther
look at hillary clinton's resume. former first lady of arkansas, former first lady, former secretary of state, former senator. no question about it, regardless whether you're a republican or democrat you can say hillary clinton is a hard workers, she's tenacious, she's been around the block and would come to the white house with definitely a lot of experience. >> the other thing you could say about her is because of her role as secretary of state she's been able to sort of however above...
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do you think we're looking at bush versus clinton in 2016? >> i think the picture on the democratic side this far out, there's a little more clarity to it -- there's a lot more clarity than the republican side. if hillary clinton were to run in 2016 there are obviously no guarantees in life or politics, but within the democratic party for the democratic nomination, she will be a front-runner like we have never seen before. and i know we sort of said that about her in the run up to '08. she had two liabilities in '08 that were gone. she was considered too much of a polarizing figure. can she get independents to vote for her in the fall. the republicans who had been just relentless critics of her for 15 years in the '90s and the last decade, they have rolled over and lionized her as sort of this alternative 1i78 boll. this is the democrat we like. there's that and the other thing that dragged her down on the democratic side was the iraq war and i think largely that's forgotten now. i think her two big liabilities on the democratic side are gone
do you think we're looking at bush versus clinton in 2016? >> i think the picture on the democratic side this far out, there's a little more clarity to it -- there's a lot more clarity than the republican side. if hillary clinton were to run in 2016 there are obviously no guarantees in life or politics, but within the democratic party for the democratic nomination, she will be a front-runner like we have never seen before. and i know we sort of said that about her in the run up to '08....
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plus, hillary clinton in 2016. some stunning numbers about the ground work and john mcafee on the run as his neighbor is found murdered. our martin savidge went on the hunt, tracked him down. he's "outfront." e emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. [ female announcer ] holiday cookies are a big job. everything has to be just right. perfection is in the details. ♪ get to holiday fun faster with pillsbury cookie dough. get to holiday fun faster energy is being produced to power our lives. while energy development comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing generations of cleaner-burning energy for our country, drilling thousands of feet below fresh water sources within self-contained well systems. and, using state-of-the-art monitoring technologies, rigorous practices help ensure our operations are safe and clean for our
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and speaking of clinton, you can add one more name to the list of people convinced that she is running for president in 2016. "new yorker" magazine editor david remnick came to that conclusion friday night at a fo forum which featured clinton. >>> on the washington post" gives the most detailed account of romney. it says he's spending most of his time in la jolla, california, on his ipad. they say romney's seclusion is marked by suppressed conclusions, second-guessing and boredom. though they say he is not bitter. "the post" also reports the loss has been more difficult on ann romney who friends say has been crying in private and trying to get back to riding her horses. >>> someone else who might want to have a good cry. casino magnate sheldon adelson after vowing to spend $100 million to defeat president obama. the huffington post said that he actually spent $150 million. >>> the word "election" was the number one search on yahoo! this year, but don't worry because kim kardashian was still the most searched person, just in case you were. >>> and president obama and former president cl
and speaking of clinton, you can add one more name to the list of people convinced that she is running for president in 2016. "new yorker" magazine editor david remnick came to that conclusion friday night at a fo forum which featured clinton. >>> on the washington post" gives the most detailed account of romney. it says he's spending most of his time in la jolla, california, on his ipad. they say romney's seclusion is marked by suppressed conclusions, second-guessing...
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the same rate we had when bill clinton was president. we have to ask you and me and the wealthiest among us to go back to the clinton rates for income above $250,000. >> the clinton tax rates, we need to go back. that's not a generic policy idea. that's really specific. the clinton tax rate for high income earners was 39.6%. that's what president obama was calling for during the campaign. that's still what president obama is calling for now. but now when you ask him if that's the red line, if it you ask if he will accept anything else, he doesn't really answer. >> tax rates. are you -- is there no deal at the end of the year if tax rates for the top 2% aren't the clinton tax rates, period. no ifs, ands or buts on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff. >> with respect to the tax rates, i want to emphasize, i am open to new ideas. i'm not going to slam the door in their face. i want to hear -- i want to hear ideas from everybody. >> that's not a no. here is the treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> there's no agreement that doesn't in
the same rate we had when bill clinton was president. we have to ask you and me and the wealthiest among us to go back to the clinton rates for income above $250,000. >> the clinton tax rates, we need to go back. that's not a generic policy idea. that's really specific. the clinton tax rate for high income earners was 39.6%. that's what president obama was calling for during the campaign. that's still what president obama is calling for now. but now when you ask him if that's the red...
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it falls under hillary clinton's purview. we note hillary clinton reports to the white house. when you are taking about the white house you are speaking about the national security advisor and white house. we have silence from someone like tom donnellon another does hillary clinton she is likely to appear ton talk shows when it is convenience to do so. >> will you subpoena tom done lynn? >> as you know the white house and president obama will likely choose executive privilege when it comes to national security advisor. tom donnelly is the one person who has the answer the breakdown here was national security council where information was changed and distorted and contaminated by the white house. we need to get to the bottom of this whether from hillary clinton tom donnelly or president obama. >> how about james clapper will you be calling him to testify? >> absolutely. the only person they are going to seek out right now is secretary clinton. >> as well as the state department. finally the only thing i would ask is there was already an accountability review board report from t
it falls under hillary clinton's purview. we note hillary clinton reports to the white house. when you are taking about the white house you are speaking about the national security advisor and white house. we have silence from someone like tom donnellon another does hillary clinton she is likely to appear ton talk shows when it is convenience to do so. >> will you subpoena tom done lynn? >> as you know the white house and president obama will likely choose executive privilege when...
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and the man who shut down the government under bill clinton. what newt gingrich thinks it will take to avoid that happening again. >>> plus one of my personal heroes, the fastest man in the history of planet earth. jamaican sprinter usain bolt revealing a talent you may not know he has. ♪ let's get together and feel all right ♪ >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> good evening. our big story tonight, you are so hot, america. i mean that literally. the temperature was a balmy 60 degrees this afternoon in new york just outside cnn's studios. the average high temperature in december is normally 43. a warm front has flooded the lower 48 states. quite extraordinary but is it evidence of man-made global warming? that's tonight's battleground america. joining me now, bill nye the science guy and mark morano, the publisher of climate depo.com. welcome to you both. let me start with you, mark, if i may. you are implacably opposed to the concept of man-made climate change. why? >> we followed the evidence. there are quite literally hundreds of fact
and the man who shut down the government under bill clinton. what newt gingrich thinks it will take to avoid that happening again. >>> plus one of my personal heroes, the fastest man in the history of planet earth. jamaican sprinter usain bolt revealing a talent you may not know he has. ♪ let's get together and feel all right ♪ >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> good evening. our big story tonight, you are so hot, america. i mean that literally. the...
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jerry brown, might not only we have a clinton match i think we have a clinton-jerry brown rematch in the primaries in 2016. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? >>> these outside groups, are they having any success pressuring? these ceos have been here every other day. do we feel like they're having any impact? >> no, i don't think they are. the cross pressures are coming because republicans are feeling primary heat, democrats feel they have the upper hand. the super pacs that spent so much money in the election that just concluded, this can be their social welfare aspect. they're starting to spend money on -- >> but not really. i don't think anybody knows what si
jerry brown, might not only we have a clinton match i think we have a clinton-jerry brown rematch in the primaries in 2016. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15...
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there was a cute video of hillary clinton here in washington over the weekend. and it had a clip from you in there. play that little clip. ♪ you're amazing ♪ just the way you are >> i just have an instinct that the best is yet to come. >> lurt. all right. you said you have an instinct that the best is yet to come. what did you mean by that? >> well, i think, wolf, sometimes when you make an enigmatic comment, you're best to leave the enigma floating there. >> i understand completely what you're saying. prime minister, thanks, as usual, for joining us. appreciate it very much. >> thavngs, wolf. all the best. >> so if you take aspirin every day to prevent heart trouble, a baby aspirin, a regular as prinl, you might want to check the label. up next, our own doctor, sanjay gupta with details on what a new study says about the effects of coated tablets. not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ]
there was a cute video of hillary clinton here in washington over the weekend. and it had a clip from you in there. play that little clip. ♪ you're amazing ♪ just the way you are >> i just have an instinct that the best is yet to come. >> lurt. all right. you said you have an instinct that the best is yet to come. what did you mean by that? >> well, i think, wolf, sometimes when you make an enigmatic comment, you're best to leave the enigma floating there. >> i...
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but more popular than hillary clinton and laura bush. alison samuels, it's good to have you here. i appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> all right. so everyone want to know if michelle obama would follow into the political for she has said that she's not interested in politics but it hasn't stopped people from asking that question. >> no, it doesn't. >> when she appeared at the democratic convention in september, i think people were reminded of how smart and engaging she is and that started the chatter of, what if she ran for public office given that she's or the of able to galvanize people with her speech, her smile, with her sort of -- she's so passionate about everything that she talks about, all of her initiatives. she really pushes very hard for. i think a the lo of people are wondering, even though she doesn't want to be a politician, what kind of role would she have in public after her husband got out of office. i don't think she'll run for office but i think she'll have a very strong presence once his term is up. >> samuel l. jackson has said, michelle
but more popular than hillary clinton and laura bush. alison samuels, it's good to have you here. i appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> all right. so everyone want to know if michelle obama would follow into the political for she has said that she's not interested in politics but it hasn't stopped people from asking that question. >> no, it doesn't. >> when she appeared at the democratic convention in september, i think people were reminded of how...
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, chris cizilla indicates strong support for hillary clinton. she has really i guess she's the most popular figure in american politics. >> she is at her highest popularity rating that we have ever in "the washington post"/abc poll measured her and almost six in ten, 57% of americans, this isn't democrats, this is the american public broadly, want her to run for president in 2016. now, i would say, if she becomes a candidate, i think -- inevitably she'll be seen much more in that partisan atmosphere, some of her stratospheric numbers will drop down. i would say she has been skeptical very skeptical of running. if you look at these numbers if you have any interest of being the president of the united states this may be a hard race to say no to. >> i think the rest of the political world knows what is likely to happen. chris cizilla, thank you very much. susan page, always great to see you. >> coming up the fiscal fight continuing. he split with his party on taxes. what is republican tomb cole saying now? first as john boehner look lights the capi
, chris cizilla indicates strong support for hillary clinton. she has really i guess she's the most popular figure in american politics. >> she is at her highest popularity rating that we have ever in "the washington post"/abc poll measured her and almost six in ten, 57% of americans, this isn't democrats, this is the american public broadly, want her to run for president in 2016. now, i would say, if she becomes a candidate, i think -- inevitably she'll be seen much more in...
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it's not a coincidence that the president was golfing with bill clinton this sudden. that is as much the president likes golf as much as an effort to say, here i am with the great dealmaker, the reasonable guy that everybody likes, regardless of whether clinton's actually giving him any advice on this although i'm sure he is. >> if you look back to the health care debate obama tried to appear reasonable last time and that didn't work well for him. what he's doing now is all the things he didn't do last time. starting with the unreasonable position, with what he wants rather than what he thinks he'll get which is a better bargaining position. he's going out and trying to get people to pick up the phone, take up, you know, twitter and facebook and tell congress we want to get this done. so he's doing a lot of the things from a negotiating standpoint that he didn't do last it time around, while still, you know, kind of queuing up the blame game as both sides are doing to make sure that other guy takes the fall if it doesn't work. >> and i think to eric's point, this is w
it's not a coincidence that the president was golfing with bill clinton this sudden. that is as much the president likes golf as much as an effort to say, here i am with the great dealmaker, the reasonable guy that everybody likes, regardless of whether clinton's actually giving him any advice on this although i'm sure he is. >> if you look back to the health care debate obama tried to appear reasonable last time and that didn't work well for him. what he's doing now is all the things he...
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. >> secretary of state clinton says nato's decision missiles to turkey sends a clear message that tour ski is backed by its allies. the big concern remains an increasely desperate assad regime will turn to chemical weapons as rebel fighting rages on. the u.s. and its partners are looking to apply additional pressure on at a conference next week. the regime insists they would not use weapons against its people. >> a natural gas tanker arrived in japan today becoming the first vessel to successfully test a new trade route through arctic waters. it opened up due to shrinking ice. it shaved nearly three weeks of its time. in september researchers of nasa announced the coverage retreated to its lowest level since recoffereds began in 1979. the route is open four months of the year. >> put down the cell phone and the sandwich if you are in south dakota. they report that there is a top new ban on distracted banning. it makes texting while drivers is a primary offense but you can get that ticket if you are eating, rearding the paper, or putting on make-up while driving. >> would you pay for co
. >> secretary of state clinton says nato's decision missiles to turkey sends a clear message that tour ski is backed by its allies. the big concern remains an increasely desperate assad regime will turn to chemical weapons as rebel fighting rages on. the u.s. and its partners are looking to apply additional pressure on at a conference next week. the regime insists they would not use weapons against its people. >> a natural gas tanker arrived in japan today becoming the first vessel...
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new reports that hillary clinton got a special job pitch. apparently so did david petraeus and neither one took the advice. new york city mayor michael bloomberg's successor will have big shoes to fill according to "the new york times." bloomberg called secretary of state hillary clinton a few months ago to encourage her to enter the 2013 new york city mayoral race. but reportedly told the mayor she has no interest in the job. as deputy mayor there howard wolf son, former senior adviser to hillary clinton's presidential campaign in 2008. mayor bloomberg isn't the only 0 one giving out advice. this is great. it's bob woodward, heads are exploding as i speak. let me get to the story. woodward reports that roger ales, the chairman and founder of fox news, encouraged general david petraeus to run against obama in the 2012 election. last spring asked fox news analyst to make the pitch while she was traveling with petraeus. in a recording of the conversation between mcfarland and petraeus mcfarland can be heard saying that ales advises petraeus to
new reports that hillary clinton got a special job pitch. apparently so did david petraeus and neither one took the advice. new york city mayor michael bloomberg's successor will have big shoes to fill according to "the new york times." bloomberg called secretary of state hillary clinton a few months ago to encourage her to enter the 2013 new york city mayoral race. but reportedly told the mayor she has no interest in the job. as deputy mayor there howard wolf son, former senior...
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we need to go back to the clinton era rates for the most well off americans. it's not going to kill us. freedom of tyranny is not the 35 we pay now and the 39 that the rich will pay as we did when america was a communist paradise. it's just silly now. you've got to be for a tax rate increase or we will go over this fiscal cliff. >> no, you don't. you could raise from a carbon tax of $20 a ton, which will deal with, we are having the biggest record carbon levels. you could raise -- at 4% a year over the next ten year, twice as much as you could from allowing the bush tax rates to lapse. why the income tax system is overburdened in the united states. we use it too much. we should be looking at other taxes. we can't do it in 29 days. why are we doing it in 29 days? >> but the president ran on raises taxes, right? if you look at the polls. 60% of people support raising taxes on people who make over $250,000 a year. how much of a problem is it, david, if the republicans you know, tom coburn said he does not want to raise that tax number. >> the president ran on his
we need to go back to the clinton era rates for the most well off americans. it's not going to kill us. freedom of tyranny is not the 35 we pay now and the 39 that the rich will pay as we did when america was a communist paradise. it's just silly now. you've got to be for a tax rate increase or we will go over this fiscal cliff. >> no, you don't. you could raise from a carbon tax of $20 a ton, which will deal with, we are having the biggest record carbon levels. you could raise -- at 4% a...
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i imagine both secretary clinton and mr. brahimi would be lean on the russians to convince assad to leave power. he's finished in syria. there's no way he's going to emerge victorious. the only options for him are to lose and lose his life, most probability, or leave syria but certainly this civil war now more than 40,000 people dead, and with the latest problem with chemical weapons, the civil war has to be brought to an end. >> now, ambassador, both president obama and secretary of state clinton warned chemical weapons are the red line on syria. i also want to play something that defense secretary leon panetta had to say in reaction to the reports about the preparation of chemical weapons. let play that and talk about what diplomatic options are left. >> the president of the united states made very clear that there will be consequences. there will be conconsequences if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons on their own people. i'm not going to speculate or comment on what those potential
i imagine both secretary clinton and mr. brahimi would be lean on the russians to convince assad to leave power. he's finished in syria. there's no way he's going to emerge victorious. the only options for him are to lose and lose his life, most probability, or leave syria but certainly this civil war now more than 40,000 people dead, and with the latest problem with chemical weapons, the civil war has to be brought to an end. >> now, ambassador, both president obama and secretary of...
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and david wrote, hillary clinton is running for president. he came to that conclusion after attending a forum in washington where hillary clinton was a featured speaker and was introduced by what remnick calls a short, adoring film. the film was like an international endorsement four years in advance of the iowa caucus and the new hampshire primary. >> if you bet on the side of human rights, human dignity, more countries may have the same extraordinary good fortune that we've had. ♪ and when you smile >> someone who knows a thing or two about political comebacks, i can tell you i don't think we've heard the last of hillary clinton. ♪ girl you're amazing just the way you are ♪ >> i just have an instinct that the best is yet to come. >> joining me now, "the washington post" philip rucker and jonathan capehart. >> come on, these leaving her term as secretary of state. she's arguably been one of the best that we've had in a while. she's loved by clearly lots of people around the world, particularly foreign leaders and so there she is at thi
and david wrote, hillary clinton is running for president. he came to that conclusion after attending a forum in washington where hillary clinton was a featured speaker and was introduced by what remnick calls a short, adoring film. the film was like an international endorsement four years in advance of the iowa caucus and the new hampshire primary. >> if you bet on the side of human rights, human dignity, more countries may have the same extraordinary good fortune that we've had. ♪ and...
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members of president clinton's economic team, people like bob rubin and larry podesta, have put their name to a plan that calls for $200 billion more in tax revenue than even the president is asking. for more now we have with us william cohen in new york, a columnist for the bloomberg view, and clarence page, a columnist for "the chicago tribune." welcome to both of you. clarence, one thing this makes plain is democrats are feeling confident in a fiscal cliff win. why not ask for more? >> well, they're certainly asking for more than president obama is asking, and that is the point here. they feel that the policies of the clinton era that gave us the prosperity that we saw back then would be good to impose now. they are really calling for a different kind of arrangement pushing for a simplification of the tax code that would include taxes on cigarettes and alcoholic beverages which would cross income lines, those kind of consumer taxes hit lower income tax people -- taxpayers as well as upper, and they want to get rid of the amt, that automatic tax that's designed to make sure that old
members of president clinton's economic team, people like bob rubin and larry podesta, have put their name to a plan that calls for $200 billion more in tax revenue than even the president is asking. for more now we have with us william cohen in new york, a columnist for the bloomberg view, and clarence page, a columnist for "the chicago tribune." welcome to both of you. clarence, one thing this makes plain is democrats are feeling confident in a fiscal cliff win. why not ask for...
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president clinton was able to do this. he was able to triang late in his second term. he was in there to build legacy and i think that's something that president obama has got to take into store and i hope he continues to get advice from president clinton. >> good point. because it goes on speaking of former presidents, because george w. bush got re-elected in 2004 and he and the republicans were prepared to implement the agenda he ran on, elections of consequences. remember that famous soundbyte? obama ran on higher taxes for the wealthy and won. lz, shouldn't he be making the same argument? that is what he ran on. >> absolutely. you know what i find interesting, if you look at the statistics, many of the blue states that supported president obama are some of the richest states in the country. and so not only did you have him defeat romney pretty handedly in the electoral college, but people willing to sacrifice their own money to make sure that president obama, his policies made it to the white house. you know, it was th
president clinton was able to do this. he was able to triang late in his second term. he was in there to build legacy and i think that's something that president obama has got to take into store and i hope he continues to get advice from president clinton. >> good point. because it goes on speaking of former presidents, because george w. bush got re-elected in 2004 and he and the republicans were prepared to implement the agenda he ran on, elections of consequences. remember that famous...
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and hillary clinton, as well as the white house, have called for the egyptians to engage in a broader dialogue because the stakes with egypt as one quarter of the arab population couldn't be greater. >> so you don't expect anything different than what we've heard from hillary clinton at this point? >> no, but if the tensions play out in a tougher way on the streets, i think the administration will be under pressure to do something or say something more publicly about what's happening. >> there are new developments in syria, robin opinion u. irobin. there are reports that syria is prepared to use chemical weapons. hillary clinton speak about it in brussels yesterday. >> we sent an unmistakable message we that an would cross a red line and those responsible would be held to account. we intend to make that view as clear as we possibly can be. >> how likely is is it that assad will give that order? >> the government was forced to close the airport because of fighting near, it took down the entire internet. his country is no longer just beleaguered, it is besieged. he can last a while long
and hillary clinton, as well as the white house, have called for the egyptians to engage in a broader dialogue because the stakes with egypt as one quarter of the arab population couldn't be greater. >> so you don't expect anything different than what we've heard from hillary clinton at this point? >> no, but if the tensions play out in a tougher way on the streets, i think the administration will be under pressure to do something or say something more publicly about what's...
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four days ago we offer ad serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there has been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted deliberate strategy the slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending problem. not a receive knew problem. the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such a plan. >> mr. speaker, you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize that call? did he have any kind of counteroffer? also, we understand that he just is making clear that it is -- got to
four days ago we offer ad serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there has been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted deliberate strategy the slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would...